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 Post subject: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:24 pm 
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After a slow start to my brewday, I am currently mashing an IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
from the Durden Park Book Old English Beers and how to make them.

Target OG :1.071
IBUS: 157

Grist:
7230g Low Colour Marris Otter Pale Ale Malt

Bittering Hops
336g East Kent Goldings @ 5.68% A.A. 60 min Boil

Yeast: Gervin / Nottingham 2nd Generation.

Mash for 2 (not 3!) hours at 66ºC
Boil for 90 minutes

The plan is to Ferment for two weeks & cask.

And then:


Cask Age for 3 months
Bottle 2 Quarts, 6 Pints

Add White American Oak Slats
Cask Age for 4 months
Bottle 2 Quarts, 6 Pints

Dry Hop with 100g East Kent Goldings
Cask age For 3 weeks
Bottle 2 Quarts, 6 Pints

Drink the rest from cask! (10+ pints)

Further bottle age for 3 months.

Sample.

Simples!

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 Post subject: Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:38 pm 
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ambitious! I like it. Wonder how oak and hops will go together...?

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 Post subject: Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:34 pm 

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Steve(s), you really ought to read Mitch Steele's IPA book. It is a fantastic history and gives amazingly detailed backgrounds on IPA through its various incarnations as well as forgotten styles like Burton Ale (proto-barleywine) and loads of recipes. In the late 18th and throughout the 19th centuries IPA was extensively aged in oak barrels before packaging, either in domestic warehouses or aboard ships bound for other shores - not just India.

It may be worth it for the goose island IPA and Jaipur recipes alone.

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 Post subject: Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:30 pm 
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Looks like Mitch Steele's IPA book is worth a read.
It would be worth it for the Jaipur IPA recipe alone!

I will order it from my bookshop tomorrow.

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 Post subject: Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:53 am 
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And it occurs to me (mostly as I'm currently writing on Black Beers and Russia, and sorting out a few misconceptions), that the oak that beers destined for export to India was being packaged in came from the Baltics. It was (and is) called Memel Oak, and has a much tighter grain and much more mellow flavour. Indeed, there are noted complaints about the "woody taint" that American Oak imparted to beer.

I may be able to find a source for Memel Oak, but Hungarian should be relatively easy to come by....

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 Post subject: Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:59 am 
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alikocho wrote:
And it occurs to me (mostly as I'm currently writing on Black Beers and Russia, and sorting out a few misconceptions), that the oak that beers destined for export to India was being packaged in came from the Baltics. It was (and is) called Memel Oak, and has a much tighter grain and much more mellow flavour. Indeed, there are noted complaints about the "woody taint" that American Oak imparted to beer.

I may be able to find a source for Memel Oak, but Hungarian should be relatively easy to come by....

Unless I'm reading it wrong http://barclayperkins.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... k.html?m=1 is suggesting the opposite.

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 Post subject: Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:40 am 
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Very Interesting! I know that Penfolds at least in Oz add "new american oak" (same as White Oak?) to some of their premium wines such as Grange and RWT during fermentation and some has even ended up in my glass!

It would be interesting to source some Memel Oak and conpare it to the American, Ali if you find a source please let me know....

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 Post subject: Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
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RogerP wrote:
alikocho wrote:
And it occurs to me (mostly as I'm currently writing on Black Beers and Russia, and sorting out a few misconceptions), that the oak that beers destined for export to India was being packaged in came from the Baltics. It was (and is) called Memel Oak, and has a much tighter grain and much more mellow flavour. Indeed, there are noted complaints about the "woody taint" that American Oak imparted to beer.

I may be able to find a source for Memel Oak, but Hungarian should be relatively easy to come by....

Unless I'm reading it wrong http://barclayperkins.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... k.html?m=1 is suggesting the opposite.


Elsewhere he says differently. So do Mitch steele and Martyn Cornell. This is the problem with research - teasing things out from contradicting secondary material and finding the archival material.

I'm going to meet with one of Brooklyn's brewers for lunch today. I'll ask him.

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 Post subject: Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:13 am 
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I have just added three slats of American Oak to my IPA. (It's been a busy morning!)
I had to split the slats length ways as they where just too wide (by about 2mm or about 79 thousandths of an inch ) to get into a 6 (UK) gallon plastic budget cask.

I am not going to bother bottling the pre-oaked state of this beer.

Let's see what happens!

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 Post subject: Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
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This reminds me. I have found a source of memel oak in Latvia and am working on laying hands on it.

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