After a slow start to my brewday, I am currently mashing an IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
from the Durden Park Book Old English Beers and how to make them.
Target OG :1.071
IBUS: 157
Grist:
7230g Low Colour Marris Otter Pale Ale Malt
Bittering Hops
336g East Kent Goldings @ 5.68% A.A. 60 min Boil
Yeast: Gervin / Nottingham 2nd Generation.
Mash for 2 (not 3!) hours at 66ºC
Boil for 90 minutes
The plan is to Ferment for two weeks & cask.
And then:
Cask Age for 3 months
Bottle 2 Quarts, 6 Pints
Add White American Oak Slats
Cask Age for 4 months
Bottle 2 Quarts, 6 Pints
Dry Hop with 100g East Kent Goldings
Cask age For 3 weeks
Bottle 2 Quarts, 6 Pints
Drink the rest from cask! (10+ pints)
Further bottle age for 3 months.
Sample.
Simples!
Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
The craft beer revolution will not be sanitised!
(Apologies to Gil Scott-Heron)
(Apologies to Gil Scott-Heron)
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Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
ambitious! I like it. Wonder how oak and hops will go together...?
I like to keep a bottle of stimulant handy in case I see a snake, which I also keep handy.
Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
Steve(s), you really ought to read Mitch Steele's IPA book. It is a fantastic history and gives amazingly detailed backgrounds on IPA through its various incarnations as well as forgotten styles like Burton Ale (proto-barleywine) and loads of recipes. In the late 18th and throughout the 19th centuries IPA was extensively aged in oak barrels before packaging, either in domestic warehouses or aboard ships bound for other shores - not just India.
It may be worth it for the goose island IPA and Jaipur recipes alone.
It may be worth it for the goose island IPA and Jaipur recipes alone.
Eat sh*t or die trying
Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
Looks like Mitch Steele's IPA book is worth a read.
It would be worth it for the Jaipur IPA recipe alone!
I will order it from my bookshop tomorrow.
It would be worth it for the Jaipur IPA recipe alone!
I will order it from my bookshop tomorrow.
The craft beer revolution will not be sanitised!
(Apologies to Gil Scott-Heron)
(Apologies to Gil Scott-Heron)
Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
And it occurs to me (mostly as I'm currently writing on Black Beers and Russia, and sorting out a few misconceptions), that the oak that beers destined for export to India was being packaged in came from the Baltics. It was (and is) called Memel Oak, and has a much tighter grain and much more mellow flavour. Indeed, there are noted complaints about the "woody taint" that American Oak imparted to beer.
I may be able to find a source for Memel Oak, but Hungarian should be relatively easy to come by....
I may be able to find a source for Memel Oak, but Hungarian should be relatively easy to come by....
Ali
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BJCP Assistant Regional Director (North-East/Europe)
American Homebrewers' Association International Subcommittee
Organizer, National Homebrew Competition
CBA UK Competition and Training Coordinator
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BJCP Assistant Regional Director (North-East/Europe)
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Organizer, National Homebrew Competition
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Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
Unless I'm reading it wrong http://barclayperkins.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... k.html?m=1 is suggesting the opposite.alikocho wrote:And it occurs to me (mostly as I'm currently writing on Black Beers and Russia, and sorting out a few misconceptions), that the oak that beers destined for export to India was being packaged in came from the Baltics. It was (and is) called Memel Oak, and has a much tighter grain and much more mellow flavour. Indeed, there are noted complaints about the "woody taint" that American Oak imparted to beer.
I may be able to find a source for Memel Oak, but Hungarian should be relatively easy to come by....
Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
Very Interesting! I know that Penfolds at least in Oz add "new american oak" (same as White Oak?) to some of their premium wines such as Grange and RWT during fermentation and some has even ended up in my glass!
It would be interesting to source some Memel Oak and conpare it to the American, Ali if you find a source please let me know....
It would be interesting to source some Memel Oak and conpare it to the American, Ali if you find a source please let me know....
The craft beer revolution will not be sanitised!
(Apologies to Gil Scott-Heron)
(Apologies to Gil Scott-Heron)
Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
Elsewhere he says differently. So do Mitch steele and Martyn Cornell. This is the problem with research - teasing things out from contradicting secondary material and finding the archival material.RogerP wrote:Unless I'm reading it wrong http://barclayperkins.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... k.html?m=1 is suggesting the opposite.alikocho wrote:And it occurs to me (mostly as I'm currently writing on Black Beers and Russia, and sorting out a few misconceptions), that the oak that beers destined for export to India was being packaged in came from the Baltics. It was (and is) called Memel Oak, and has a much tighter grain and much more mellow flavour. Indeed, there are noted complaints about the "woody taint" that American Oak imparted to beer.
I may be able to find a source for Memel Oak, but Hungarian should be relatively easy to come by....
I'm going to meet with one of Brooklyn's brewers for lunch today. I'll ask him.
Ali
BJCP National Judge
BJCP Assistant Regional Director (North-East/Europe)
American Homebrewers' Association International Subcommittee
Organizer, National Homebrew Competition
CBA UK Competition and Training Coordinator
http://serenbrewing.com
BJCP National Judge
BJCP Assistant Regional Director (North-East/Europe)
American Homebrewers' Association International Subcommittee
Organizer, National Homebrew Competition
CBA UK Competition and Training Coordinator
http://serenbrewing.com
Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
I have just added three slats of American Oak to my IPA. (It's been a busy morning!)
I had to split the slats length ways as they where just too wide (by about 2mm or about 79 thousandths of an inch ) to get into a 6 (UK) gallon plastic budget cask.
I am not going to bother bottling the pre-oaked state of this beer.
Let's see what happens!
I had to split the slats length ways as they where just too wide (by about 2mm or about 79 thousandths of an inch ) to get into a 6 (UK) gallon plastic budget cask.
I am not going to bother bottling the pre-oaked state of this beer.
Let's see what happens!
The craft beer revolution will not be sanitised!
(Apologies to Gil Scott-Heron)
(Apologies to Gil Scott-Heron)
Re: Oak Aged IPA, India Export Ale (1864)
This reminds me. I have found a source of memel oak in Latvia and am working on laying hands on it.
Ali
BJCP National Judge
BJCP Assistant Regional Director (North-East/Europe)
American Homebrewers' Association International Subcommittee
Organizer, National Homebrew Competition
CBA UK Competition and Training Coordinator
http://serenbrewing.com
BJCP National Judge
BJCP Assistant Regional Director (North-East/Europe)
American Homebrewers' Association International Subcommittee
Organizer, National Homebrew Competition
CBA UK Competition and Training Coordinator
http://serenbrewing.com